Who deserves free health care?

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In our BNC lesson, we have been discussing about who should and shouldn’t receive free healthcare.

What happened?

In class, we had a discussion about who deserves free healthcare more. These are three of the things that we talked about as a class.

”People who have commit crime shouldn’t get free health care.”

”Why should we pay for other people to go to hospital?”

”We should not need to pay.”

I will be explaining my opinion on each quote separately.

”People who have commit crime shouldn’t get free health care.”

This is difficult to decide whether it is true or not. I think that free healthcare is a human right, as so is a free education and a right to be heard.If you are in prison, should your human rights be taken away? What if you didn’t commit a crime such as stealing, but you are in prison. Should you not be allowed to be treated for illnesses? When you ask yourself these questions, you start to think, “ You should deserve free health care!” But on the other hand, what if you did commit a crime, and you had been sentenced to jail for a long time. Should you be allowed to have health care, and not pay a thing? Or should you pay for it?

Personally, I think you should not pay for medication if you are in jail, but if you have to have an expensive surgery, you should be able to fund it. I think this becuase you do t get payed a lot in prison, and the money that funds the hospitals comes out of peoples taxes, so why should you get it completely free?

”Why should we pay for other people to go to hospital?”

What this means is, why should my money be taken out of my pay check just so other people can have some medicine for free? When I got informed that some people don’t like having their money taken to support the ongoing of NHS, I was surprised. I was suprised because I thought that everyone was willing to help people in need. I would not be annoyed if it happened to be because without this, the NHS wouldn’t be how it is today, it might not even be here at all. The equipment needed to do surgery is expensive, so why would you just let sombody not receive their treatment, so you can keep some extra coins? If the roles were fliped, and you needed an operation that you couldn’t afford, wouldn’t you want the community to help you? This is what happens in places such as the USA, you need to pay to see the doctor. Although, if I thought the opposite, I would probably say, this is my pay check, so I want all of it.

I can understand that people may want to keep all of their money, but personally, I would be more than happy for a percentage of it to go to places like schools and hospitals.

”We should not need to pay.”

After reasoning out both sides of the first two quotes, this is harder than before to decide. At first, I thought that this should still carry on, as it already happens in the UK. I thought this because it would save all the people who are heavily ill and have a low income. This would help since having a low income means you dont have a lot of money coming in. As we learnt is our BNC lesson, if you have a low income, you get your prescription free. Now I have looked at both sides of the arguement,I understand why people who much rather pay when they go, notmout of a payment check.

I think that you should not need to pay to be treated, and the laws should stay the same. I think this because it saves many people not having treatment, which saves people who may not have a lot of money not worrying about how they will get better.

Thank you for reading this, and because it is a discussion starter, feel free to say your ideas too.

entertaining_strawberry

Comments (31)

  • tom Tom @ the BNC
    01 Mar 2020

    Excellent discussion starter, full of open-minded questions and reasons for your opinion. We look forward to hearing what other people think!

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  • Hammond School logo enchanted_gooseberry | Hammond Junior School F
    01 Mar 2020

    Great work entertaining _ strawberry ,
    following on what you said,
    I do think that people who have committed a crime should need to pay because committing a crime is a very bad thing so giving them free treatment and medicine is not right , for what they have done, they don't deserve free things
    but if it may be severe prisoners will not need to pay because risking their lives is more important !

    following your second quote,
    I personally think that we shouldn't pay for others ,
    Because we need to use our money for our own medical reasons and family members to .
    On the other hand, paying for other people could help them with treatment that they need and doing this could change their lives making them healthy and well again

    following your third quote,
    I openly think that in some ways we don't need to pay because the treatment or medicine that we need might be to expensive for others to pay for.
    Against that we should need to pay because giving the money to the NHS could help them to use the money to make more medicine for people who need it the most.

    Thanks for reading,
    enchanted_gooseberry

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    1. tom Tom @ the BNC
      enchanted_gooseberry's comment 02 Mar 2020

      I'm really glad to see you responding directly to points made by other members of the club. It makes your reasons more focussed and your approach more open-minded. Well done!

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      1. Hammond School logo enchanted_gooseberry | Hammond Junior School F
        Tom @ the BNC's comment 02 Mar 2020

        Thank you I am glad that you liked my comment

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    2. Birchwood-logo-250x250.jpg entertaining_strawberry | Birchwood C of E Primary School
      enchanted_gooseberry's comment 02 Mar 2020

      Thank you enchanted_gooseberry for giving your view on my post, I have read in your paragraph where you say we shouldn’t pay for others, and I have a question to ask. If you think healthcare is free, and we shouldn’t pay taxes for other people, how would the equipment needed for the NHS get paid for?
      Thank you fro commenting your opinion,
      entertaining_strawberry

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      1. Hammond School logo enchanted_gooseberry | Hammond Junior School F
        entertaining_strawberry's comment 03 Mar 2020

        We would need to pay to the NHS so they can carry on the money to make more medicine which helps many more people
        entertaining_ gooseberry

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    3. Hammond School logo jolly_seahorse | Hammond Junior School A
      enchanted_gooseberry's comment 06 Mar 2020

      If we shouldn't pay for others than what if there you're children ( When you're older)

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  • Bruntcliffe-logo-250x250.jpg enthusiastic_crab | Bruntcliffe Academy
    02 Mar 2020

    In my opinion I think that older people because they need more attention and help if they hurt themself because some elder people cant look after themselves so they have to

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  • Michael-Faraday-logo-250x250.jpg memorable_orchard | Michael Faraday School
    02 Mar 2020

    In my opinion, having free health care isn't a human right, meaning we don't HAVE to have it. I think people who have a terminal illness should have the right to free healthcare. However, it depends on how they got it. For example, if someone was a heavy smoker and ended up with lung cancer, they were the ones who brought it upon themselves. 'If you make the crime, you got to take the time!', meaning if that person did the wrong thing (the "crime") it would serve them right if they suffered from that illness (take the time). Therefore, they may have a terminal illness but I think that treating them, so would just encourage them to do it again, which would then be a waste of products. This would be a waste of people's money and is unfair for people to be giving money to people to waste. Homeless people may be another type of person who should not deserve free healthcare, as the 1 billion pounds a year go to them, giving each homeless person approximately £3,125 each. Roughly, a flat in East London is £900-£1000, In West London is £850-£960 and in south London, it is £720-£840, which is not even up to a third of what they are given. They would even have enough money to get a job and start earning money for themselves. Instead, the waste themselves with alcoholic drinks and tobacco, then you would see them begging on the streets. Therefore, I think homeless people do not deserve free healthcare. However, not all homeless people are victims. People who work, and pay income tax, are more or less already paying for parts of their surgery, not to mention paying extra for prescriptions and other entities. Therefore, they do deserve free healthcare as they are one of the only people who make us have "free" healthcare. Also, it would be quite unfair if they had to also pay for their healthcare as a whole and already give part of the money they laboured for to the NHS. I do think people who commit crimes deserve free healthcare, as that may encourage them to become apart of the NHS, which would decrease the prolonging waiting lists. However, we can never know what a criminal is thinking, therefore we would need to be sceptical about whether or not to hire them with the NHS. In conclusion, I do not think everyone deserves given the reasons above.
    Thank you for reading,
    memorable_orchard.

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    1. Olivia-Avatar.jpg Olivia @ the BNC
      memorable_orchard's comment 03 Mar 2020

      Thanks for your comment. I would like to challenge some of your opinions and the evidence used to support them.

      1. You say that people should have to pay for treatment if they "brought it on themselves". Where would you draw the line? Smoking might be an easier cause to detect, but what about someone who has back problems from their work on a farm? Would they be forced to pay? What's more fair when it comes to health care - treating all people with respect and compassion when they hurt or unwell, or ensuring that those who have made unhealthy choices face consequences?

      2. I am interested to know where your facts about the homeless have come from. You don't mention whether the cost of housing is per month, per week or per year. If the cost is per month, then the £3,125 would not be enough to provide stable accommodation. The money you say "is given to each homeless person" doesn't go directly into their pockets, in the same way that the money spent on children's education isn't paid straight to them either. Remember that is important to remain open-minded about other people and their life circumstances, especially when you don't have all of the necessary information to see the full picture.

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      1. Michael-Faraday-logo-250x250.jpg memorable_orchard | Michael Faraday School
        Olivia @ the BNC's comment 04 Mar 2020

        1. It does depend though. However, if they feel the symptoms they should've visited their doctor or Gp. Instead, they just are it and it evolved into something worse. So in a way, they have brought it upon themselves but it does benefit them as they get money back from it unlike smoking, where you get nothing back from it but only lung cancer and other unhelpful things.

        2. Thank you for your advice. I will try to be open-minded and try to argue with myself about the goods and bads if I am not sure on something.

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  • Noel-Park-logo-250x250.jpg witty_banana | Noel Park Primary School
    02 Mar 2020

    In my opinion, everyone should pay but they should also not pay.

    People should pay to go to hospital so that the hospital can use the money to upgrade or make the hospital better or bigger. If they do this more people can be treated which means less waiting.Also, if you don't pay, then what will the doctors and nurses get paid with? They also won't be able to upgrade the hospital. This way, no one will want to be a doctor or nurse that doesn't get paid so there will be a lack of doctors/nurses which leads to the death of more people than ever. This means that if you have a sickness or attacks you will most probably die. this will also lead to the extinction of humans existence. In my opinion, people that have commited a crime do have to pay because everyone who doesn't commit a crime have to pay so why would prisoners get treatment for free?

    On the other hand, people shouldn't pay because they may be on a low income and will end with a small amount of money after paying or cannot pay for the fee. They would be in a bad situation if the treatment goes wrong or if the patient passes away. It would be very heartbreaking and think if you were in the situation. Wouldn't you be heartbroken? Also, some people may need an emergency operation but the person cannot pay for it. Once again the person would be heartbroken and may suffer depression. No one would like to suffer from depression.People that have commited crimes should get free treatment because they have the same right as everybody else although they have done something bad.

    So, overall I think they should and shouldn't be free.

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    1. Hammond School logo jolly_seahorse | Hammond Junior School A
      witty_banana's comment 06 Mar 2020

      But what if they are on a high income

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      1. Noel-Park-logo-250x250.jpg witty_banana | Noel Park Primary School
        jolly_seahorse's comment 09 Mar 2020

        If they are on a high income then I think that they can decide if they want to pay for others or not as it is their decision and cannot be forced to pay.

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          1. Noel-Park-logo-250x250.jpg witty_banana | Noel Park Primary School
            jolly_seahorse's comment 10 Mar 2020

            Who said they will? they may be generous people

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  • Birchwood-logo-250x250.jpg resourceful_drawing | Birchwood C of E Primary School
    02 Mar 2020

    Thinking question:Is the NHS care system a basic human right?And what im focusing on in this post... does everbody deaserve it?

    In my opinion i think that the NHS is a basic human right, everbody deserves it!But what about some people...

    You probably know that smoking,alchol,drugs and more can cause many diseases.Did you know that more people in the UK smoke more than USA.In the USA they have a health care plan- this means they need to pay if they get sick- monthly.Most of us in the UK get free treatments and healthcare more of us smoke than in the US.This means that if we get sick we get treated for free but in the US they pay.If we didnt have the NHS and we had to pay for treatments,would less people smoke because they dont want to pay lots of money incase they get sick?Should the people who smoke or use drugs or drink pay?Most of the time when people smoke or drink or try anything they can get addicted and cant stop-so is it their fault that they get sick or not?

    Should criminals get healthcare for the NHS?I have set my opinion about this and because i think the NHS is a basic human right i think that they should.But if you did something bad would you need to pay for other people to take care of you?I believe this isnt the case, i dont think you should have to pay, criminals are already getting punished for what they did.I believe taking away their health care is like taking away their food and water!In jail/prison people say that there are many germs and bacteria in the cells-without healthcare people in jail would be dead!

    Thank you for listening to my opnion please feel free the answer the questions i answered and share youre opinion!

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  • Arnhem-Wharf-logo-250x250.jpg persistent_effort | Arnhem Wharf Primary School
    03 Mar 2020

    I think paralyzed people should have free healthcare . Well it's kind of in the name well they can't walk nor fend for themselves so its not really their fault (unless they were drunk or anything.
    Persistent_effort

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    1. Olivia-Avatar.jpg Olivia @ the BNC
      persistent_effort's comment 03 Mar 2020

      Does the way someone became paralysed affect how we should treat them? Remember that respect and empathy are important for anyone living with a disability.

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      1. Arnhem-Wharf-logo-250x250.jpg persistent_effort | Arnhem Wharf Primary School
        Olivia @ the BNC's comment 06 Mar 2020

        We are all different and all equal but mentally,you would have too give them extra treatment for example a personal 1:1 assistant

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    2. Hammond School logo jolly_seahorse | Hammond Junior School A
      persistent_effort's comment 06 Mar 2020

      What if they need really expensive treatment

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      1. Arnhem-Wharf-logo-250x250.jpg persistent_effort | Arnhem Wharf Primary School
        jolly_seahorse's comment 06 Mar 2020

        They would probably have to sell their home and live in a nursing home.

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    3. Arnhem-Wharf-logo-250x250.jpg persistent_effort | Arnhem Wharf Primary School
      persistent_effort's comment 18 Mar 2020

      Sorry for the misunderstanding,but what I meant by "drunk" is the person probably drove a car whilst being drunk (though its

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  • Lyons Hall Primary School intrepid_hurricane | Lyons Hall Primary School B
    03 Mar 2020

    I think that no one should revive free healthcare because if some people wouldn't have to pay, then shouldn't others have it free too? I also thought about the downside to this. If someone doesn't have enough money to pay, then how would they even get the healthcare? Although, some people have private healthcare, in which they pay for treatment in advantage so that they can access it without having to wait like we do. We talked about this in class during a lesson too and we agreed that the NHS is more efficency and quick, so having a private doctor wouldn't be as benificial as using the NHS. If someone did revieve free healthcare though, then they would most likely be a child because the adult would have paid for their health. But, if someone has an ongoing illness, like asthma, when the adult paid for the pump or medication, they wouldn't have to give money for ever time they use it but that isn't free healthcare either. What I mean is if that was free, the NHS wouldn't get any money.

    To conclude, I think that no one should get free healthcare because of the reasons I stated above.

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    1. Hammond School logo jolly_seahorse | Hammond Junior School A
      intrepid_hurricane's comment 06 Mar 2020

      What about people that have no money but are about to die, would you leave them to die

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  • Hammond School logo genuine_cat | Hammond Junior School A
    05 Mar 2020

    I think the current system for funding is fair- you pay tax which goes to the NHS and funds the entire organisation. The idea of the NHS was to relieve any financial stress of paying for their healthcare while getting treatment, and the current system does exactly that. The main reason why I think the current system is fair is because it is inclusive and highly accessible for everyone...This leads us on to my second point on how it needs slight tweaking. Prisoners should get the same quality healthcare as everyone else, they still keep the right to be healthy and medically supported too. My reasoning behind this is because if a inmate is ill, they could die, this means the NHS could have done something about it if they had died and then put under even more pressure by the prisoners family. To conclude, the current funding system for the NHS is fair but needs improvement on the Prisoners side.

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  • Hammond School logo articulate_elephant | Hammond Junior School A
    06 Mar 2020

    If you are in prison, you get free healthcare (and you won't believe it, they get a television as well)

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  • Lyons Hall Primary School reliable_fig | Lyons Hall Primary School B
    27 Mar 2020

    Disabled people and people who are less able to pay get their healthcare free, but is this very fair? I don't think that this is very fair because people who have to pay tax and national insurance (NI) to pay for the NHS don't get it 'free' but the people that cant pay don't have to. I think that the people who are less able to pay should still have to pay but less money and less often so it makes it a bit fairer for other people. The way it is right now I don't think is very fair but if you were to use my idea then I don't think many people would make such a fuss over who and who doesn't get their healthcare free. For the people who cant pay, I think the Government should have an idea on how much money they get in benefits as a household to then decide how much they should pay in.
    thanks for reading,
    reliable_fig

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    1. tom Tom @ the BNC
      reliable_fig's comment 27 Mar 2020

      Does the government not have a responsibility to look after those who are on lower incomes / have more disadvantages and therefore let them earn what they can without paying tax?

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