Leave Or Stay?

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LEAVING OR STAYING?

Is your head filled with confusion? What is happening? What is the MPs doing? What kind of things has Theresa May doing with Brexit? Well leaving or staying in the biggest grumble for everybody.

Leaving Problems:

-Northen Ireland and Southen Ireland. A Hard border is planning. What will happen to children who's house is in Northen Ireland and schools in Southern Ireland?

-Cost extra money to go to another country

Staying Problems:

-Paying For the EU

-Can not prevent another citizen coming into the UK

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What do you think? Stay in the EU, or leave? In my opinion I want to leave because we will have more freedom and be a free country. Also we can save more money for more stuff. My only concern is that I don't want it to be diffucult for people in Northen Ireland/Southen Ireland because sometimes their school or club is in the other place, and if there is a hard border, it will be hard for them to get to school or club, and it will take for a long time for them and everyone deserves an education and they maybe late everyday.

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Why can't 11+ vote? It will change the vote counts.

Why can't it be a soft border instead of a hard border? It will be easier with other pupils.

Why does the prices of having a holiday in an other country in the EU rise?

How did the EU even start?

Comments (13)

  • Olivia-Avatar.jpg Olivia @ the BNC
    06 Mar 2019

    I've given your post a star for your curiosity. Well done for thinking through the challenges and asking further questions. Can any other BNC members answer them?

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    1. Beverley-St-Nicholas-logo-250x250.jpg fulfilled_cloud | Beverley St Nicholas Primary School
      Olivia @ the BNC's comment 07 Mar 2019

      The EU started after the second world war when the countries came together and signed some sort of treaty/contract making set rules to make sure what happened wouldn't happen again

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  • Beverley-St-Nicholas-logo-250x250.jpg wonderful_argument | Beverley St Nicholas Primary School
    07 Mar 2019

    I think people should have a choice of where they want to live and its not fair that people like Donald Trump keep people from leaving or coming into different countries

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  • Beverley-St-Nicholas-logo-250x250.jpg consistent_wolf | Beverley St Nicholas Primary School
    07 Mar 2019

    I think people should be able to stay where they like, because people are intital ro there own actions: I only mean in this situation. For an example Donald trump making a wall so people cant leave and cant come to the USA(United States of America). Why should people not be allowed to see their family's or friends? But if he doesn't put that wall up we wont have that issue. He is just causing trouble-my opinion.

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  • The-Ruth-Gorse-logo-250x250.jpg balanced_singer | The Ruth Gorse Academy
    07 Mar 2019

    Why can't 11+ vote?
    I think people who are 11+ shouldn't be allowed to vote because some young people may be a little rowdy and unable to make their own decisions. Like in today's BNC session, I that deciding that to go to bed at your own desired time isn't the best thing to do. Owing to the fact that some people ( who are immature ) may go to bed at one am and may not be able to start the day with a fresh start. However, someone else in our club said that they go to bed when they come straight back from school and have no problems the next day. But this is what SHE does usually, so it's not the best example as not many people may do this ( like me ). Furthermore, if 11+ voted a lot of 'older' people may not be happy with this decision. Like rhetorical_black_bear had mentioned if 11+ voted it would change the vote count but in my opinion, this could either be a good thing or a bad thing. It could be a bad thing because some young people may still be very naive, and make the wrong decision which could have negative outcomes. But it may work because we would be looking at the bigger picture of the UK.
    11+ voting could be a good thing because it would ( quite literally ) mean that everyone gets their say. But there is a weakness in this because young people under 11 don't get to vote. But I think that's for the best because they don't fully understand politics and referendums. Furthermore, if 11+ were allowed to vote it could prepare them for future referendums that could involve a lot more tactical thinking.
    Even with this information, I think that it's best if 11-17-year-olds don't vote.

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  • Birchwood-logo-250x250.jpg fabulous_panda_bear | Birchwood C of E Primary School
    11 Mar 2019

    why can't 11+ vote I think they can because we all have a right to say no one can not tell us what to say.

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    1. The-Ruth-Gorse-logo-250x250.jpg balanced_singer | The Ruth Gorse Academy
      fabulous_panda_bear's comment 11 Mar 2019

      I disagree with you because, sometimes what we have to say may offend someone. Also, when you said "no one can tell us what to say"
      I almost immediately made me think of hate crime. Owing to the fact that it's against the law to write racist things on walls and giving people continuous letters and phone calls for negative reasons. This also made me think of Judy Wycrofy's book as she wrote incredible racial things.
      However, I can see where you're coming from because the UK is a democratic country, and we need to expand that by letting younger people vote. Furthermore, we have rights.

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  • Michael-Faraday-logo-250x250.jpg busy_song | Michael Faraday School
    26 Mar 2019

    In my opinion, it is a difficult decision leaving or remaining in the EU or not. If we leave the European Union (as you have mentioned), it will be a hard border for Northern Ireland and Ireland and it will cost extra money to go to another country in the EU (and the European citizens who come to the UK will have to pay more to come). If we remain in the European Union, then we will have to pay more to the EU and cannot prevent another citizen from coming to the UK. There are negative sides and positive sides of leaving the EU and remaining in the EU.

    I personally believe that we should leave the EU for many different reasons. I believe this since when we are part of the EU, we have to pay them more and this extra money could be for the government to spend it for different things such as:

    • The NHS
    • Children’s education
    • To invest in business and trade with other countries

    This money could be essential for the UK’s economy overall. I also believe that it would make our country independent and powerful instead of being ruled by the EU since when we are in the EU, we have to follow certain rules, which are made by the European Union. If we leave, then we can make our own laws, rules and we will not have to follow certain rules made by the EU and we can control the country overall.

    I also believe that if we leave the EU, it will be bad for people who are citizens of the EU who are staying in the UK since they might be moved out. As a solution, they could apply for a British citizenship to stay in the UK, still visit their family from time to time and have the same medical health and education as anyone else. For the people who have to go to school from Northern Ireland to Ireland, if we are leaving the EU, Ireland still has not left the EU yet so it will be a hard border. It slows down them going to school so instead, the parents who drive or walk their children to school should register themselves and put a special symbol on their cars so the people controlling the border can freely let them in and the children will not miss their education, opportunities or their future jobs.

    In addition, I believe that the Brexit deal should already be done. Since the votes to leave or remain was 51.9 % to 48.1%, this is only over by 1.9% with a close vote. Politicians are asking for a second referendum since they thought that the people were uneducated to vote so they voted incorrectly. However, it would not be worth it since already it is 50% to 50% meaning that if we had a second referendum, the vote might change but there will still be from the two decisions 50% to 50%, which will leave half of the people disappointed. Another reason is since the politicians keep carrying on this deal since even with the democracy vote, they still want to remain. We have already voted meaning that we have chosen our decision on whether to leave or remain but the politicians are voting on behalf of us and voting for us, which should not be happening since we have already done our vote. Theresa May now is slowing the deal and the politicians are confused and want to ask her questions about what she is currently planning to do. I believe, if there was a second referendum, the country might further divide into more chaos, which will create more hatred among each other, and the country’s economy may fall apart.

    I disagree that 11 year olds and people over should vote since people who are 11-17 are still children/teenagers who are looked after by their parents; this means that if there was a referendum, then even if they are intelligent and can understand about the current news issues, their parents could pressurise them to vote what they voted. They can pressurise all of their children to vote the same and they do not give the children opportunities to have a say. This will not be fair since if a parent votes for a decision and pressurises their children (which has five children) to vote the same, it would make the decision win. It would be like the parents using their children as extra votes for them and unless there is a solution to getting 11-17 year olds to vote freely and express their opinions without their parents pressurising them, then I would disagree that 11 year olds and overs should have their vote and say on massive decisions and referendums.

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    1. Olivia-Avatar.jpg Olivia @ the BNC
      busy_song's comment 27 Mar 2019

      You have given lots of well-explained reasons in this answer and also been sceptical of the suggestion that 11-17 year old should be allowed to vote. Well done. Perhaps you would like to write a post about what has happened this week in parliament, and what might happen next? It would be great to hear about it from your point of view.

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  • Boutcher-logo-250x250.jpg content_lemon | Boutcher C of E Primary School
    28 Mar 2019

    In answer to the question: Why can't 11+ vote?
    In my opinion, 11+ children can’t vote, as most don’t demonstrate enough responsibility to do so. This is because many children aged 11+ will happily spend time buying useless snacks, and hanging out in the park nearby with their friends (chatting about useless stuff). I simply don’t think 11 yr olds will make a decent and considerate decision that will affect their (and others’) future positively.
    Also, like you said, it will affect the vote counts.
    However, in the contrary, there are many children who are incredibly interested in politics and would like to be part of it too. Many of those children will be able to make decisions based on their natural interest and choice - that way, they ARE bothered, and they WILL make the right choice (according to them, of course)
    To be perfectly honest, perhaps 11+ children are in fact BETTER to vote, as they have lots of people – children AND adults – around them to help influence them and help them make the right conclusion. This is because most adults able to vote won’t have their parents around them, although they mighty discuss the subject with friends. Does this effect it, do you think? I’m not too sure, but I do think that if you have an adult you can trust, helping you determine your answer, I guess that will be helpful.
    And plus, it’s always good to have a nice, healthy debate!

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    1. Tiff-Avatar.jpg Tiff @ the BNC
      content_lemon's comment 29 Mar 2019

      Do you think you should be influenced by your parents opinion? What are the pros and cons of this?

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      1. Boutcher-logo-250x250.jpg content_lemon | Boutcher C of E Primary School
        Tiff @ the BNC's comment 29 Mar 2019

        I, personally, think that you should be influenced by your parent’s opinion, as they know what’s best, and are only wanting the best for you, including your future.
        Also, if you are 11 (and +) years old, then you’re not an adult yet – they are. So, they have gone through much, much more than you have, and those experiences have most probably had an impact on their life and choices.

        The PROS:
        ~ You will have someone to discuss your (and their) opinions with (other than your friends)
        ~ Again, you are still young, and it’s good to get advice from your elders; they’ve probably voted in elections/referendums many times previously, so they’d (well, my mum does) guess – rightly – what some vote will turn out like.
        ~ Your parents are your role model, teaching you, and guiding you through life. Why shouldn’t they do so now?
        ~ Parents will always be welcoming of your choice, so you don’t need to feel as if you'll be judged, like with your friends, for example.
        ~ Parents will always be wiser than you (and no, not because of their age!)

        The CONS:
        ~ Your opinion is YOURS – not your parent’s
        ~ You may get attached, and used to relying on your parents for vital decisions such as these, but it’s wrong to do so. Unfortunately, they might not always be there. So, get used to trying to figure out choices like these by yourself (obviously do go and ask your parents every now and again!)
        ~ You may be WRONGLY influenced, and then be forced to think, “Well, they ARE my PARENTS, so they must know better”
        ~ You may feel as if you are independent enough to make your own choices, and decisions, and your parents may feel a little “clingy” to you. This might lead to arguments – which we don’t want!

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  • Birchwood-logo-250x250.jpg talented_cookie | Birchwood C of E Primary School
    13 Apr 2019

    I would rather stay in the EU because it would be easier and if we did leave the EU then the prices would go up and the more people from different countries would leave because of Brexit and all of the complains. What about if you were friends with them? Some would fight back and stay. Also, in my opinion I think that 11 (and +) year olds shouldn't vote because they are too young to decied on a very important choice. Like if they were allowed to vote they would be like " Hmm my parents are old they know better" but sometimes they choose something that wont help but sometimes that will help. If people could vote 11 ( and +) then they would choose a random decision and it might affect the country or place, because of that they might not know what was going on and do a random thing. If they hadn't asked their parents about it then they would pick yes or no and if they picked one they wouldn't pick again.

    The EU started on the 1st November 1993 and contained 6 countries but now there are 28 of them. It was made after the World War 2 to keep countries together and be helpful to eachother.

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